#14 CoinMarketCap | Molly Jane Zuckerman - How to Spot Emerging Trends in Crypto

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Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Poolside with Polkastarter, where we come together to share knowledge and experiences from some of the most exciting web projects in the space in a very informal and conversational way. With me today is Molly CoinMarketCap. Molly, thanks so much for joining. Could you tell us a bit more about yourself? Sure. So

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for those of you who don't know me, which is probably everyone, I'm Molly, I'm CoinMarketCap’s content lead. And that means that at CMC, I do everything that has to do with the written word. You know, you go to CMC to learn about the data. And I'm out there trying to come up with articles, blogs, we have our own podcast, just to educate people about what's behind the data. Before CMC, which was three years ago, I actually started my crypto career as a journalist for Coin Telegraph, I was there for about two years covering the fall of the ICO boom, Bitcoin’s former all time high. And then, you know, everything after that, so yeah, that's me. Great.

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Thank you for that, Molly. So I mean, for the two in the audience that probably don't know what CoinMarketCap is? Could you walk us through that a bit more and kind of tell us what is CoinMarketCap? What do you guys do? What's the purpose behind CoinMarketCap existence? I guess?

01:22

Yeah, of course. So CoinMarketCap is a cryptocurrency price aggregator. And what that means is we just tell you how much a cryptocurrency costs at any given time, we were the very first website to do that. Now, you know, you can go on Google and type in Bitcoin price, and there'll be many, many options. But back in 2013, our founder was the first person really in the world to build a website where you could go and see how much one bitcoin cost in terms of Fiat at any given moment at any given time. And since 2013, we've grown to become one of the top 60 websites in the entire world. As an interest in cryptocurrency has grown, we have added a lot more than just bitcoins price. Now, we have AirDrop campaigns, we have Dex prices, exchange prices, like I said, we have a podcast a YouTube channel, we have our own platform called CMC community for writing articles and commenting about price with other CMC users. So we pretty much see ourselves as the top of the funnel for crypto. Even if you don't know us, you probably have ended up on our site, by accident, just looking for crypto things at some point in your life.

02:36

There you go. And that's the intro for the two people that didn't know. But I do want to stress and focus a bit more on kind of what you actually do, and kind of take this conversation more towards content, because I think that's really key and critical, especially during the time we're in, you know, with market sentiment being down, a lot of people assume that you should not be putting out content, because it's not gonna get a lot of exposure. So let me start with, I guess, what's the role that content plays over a coin market cap? Like what are the most important things that you do in terms of content from your perspective?

03:08

Sure. So as I said, coin market cap, we see ourselves as an information resource. No, you can't buy crypto on our platform, you can't trade crypto on our platform, we just give you numbers. And we want everyone that visits us to have sort of the most information possible to make informed decisions about the crypto market. That means that we list really everything you know, a lot more than an exchange to only list things that are tradable. For example, if you look up squid game token, which was a very, very famous scam coin, it's actually still listed on CMC, we just have an article accompanying it explaining why it is a scam and why you should not be trading this token. So we sort of see ourselves in this role as as the de facto educator in crypto. And when I joined the CMC almost three years ago, that's what I pitched to them. I said we need to take take your data and explain it to an audience, bull market or bear market, it doesn't really matter. There's always an interest in why crypto is doing what it's doing, even if that is why is it going all the way down? Which actually luckily today it's it's going it's going up? You know, I'm not I wouldn't say that we have succeeded that we're done. You know, I don't think there's still one resource that people turn to in order to learn about crypto, it's still a bit of a hodgepodge. The look at CMC, they'll look at finance Academy, they'll look at, you know, various YouTube channels like bank lists and defiant but our goal is sort of to capture all the information out there and sort of translate it into a way that people understand and that's what I do. I have a platform on CMC that is it's a it's an online crypto Academy, we call it coin market cap Alexandria, after the Library of Alexandria, which a lot of people don't get the Oh This message is like who is who is she? Who is Alexandria? Like, that's actually a ancient reference to an ancient library. But we're just trying to basically explain, we just want to explain things to you. And we want you to, to learn from us.

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That's funny because I am Egyptian. So I do know what exactly it actually is. But thank you. Yeah, no worries, no questions from me there. Cool. So I mean, let me then focus a bit more on the challenges when it comes to creating content in the crypto space. So obviously, I think for an outsider looking in, it all sounds a bit too good to be true. It all sounds a bit, you know, ridiculous. A lot of people are worried about, you know, Ponzi schemes and things like that. How do you kind of manage to have the right tone and still be, you know, super objective when you're writing or creating content in the crypto space.

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So it's really hard. It's really hard, especially at CMC, because we're not really a media outlet, our entire job isn't just to write, we do take advantage of user generated content, and content from the projects themselves. And the issue with that, even though it's pretty easy to get projects to write about themselves, because who doesn't want to write about themselves is the content, even if it's high quality, it might not be telling the users what they want to know, it'll just be saying the press release version of the story. Because crypto projects are really optimists about what they do. And so anytime that you ask them to look at their technology with a critical eye, or I have my writers look at their technology with a critical eye, you often get this backlash, like, well, you're not a believer, you know, you don't understand what we're doing. And my response is always well, then then tell us you know, but you can't always sugarcoat it, you can always write articles. You know, even writing a simple how to guide about how to use a certain technology or project, I always tell my writers, it's important to explain the parts that are that are more difficult, you know, if you have problems connecting your wallet, if you think that the user interface is going to be difficult for beginners to use. So what I tell my writers and what I tell projects, if they're going to be, you know, writing content online, is you really should not give the only the press release version of the story. And our writers should be keeping an open mind, understanding that crypto projects are optimists, you know, trying to be a bit pessimistic when you write and just sort of always do that extra research, you know, don't don't believe everything you see, right from the start. You know, Twitter followers can be, you know, a little bit expanded. You know, I just, I want I want my writers to really understand what they're writing about. And so people will be able to actually get something good out of out of our articles.

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No, it's definitely not easy. And obviously, I think it'll, it'll lead into my next question, which is, I personally, and I know a lot of people do the same, but I personally use, you know, Comarch recap to identify, like, trends or tokens that are on the rise or projects that are getting more attention. And so, you know, I wonder, is there a way, essentially to predict some of these trends to foresee something like this happening? And if so, what's kind of your reaction on the back end? Because obviously, all we see is like a nice little notification or like a tab that says, These coins are hot or whatever. But I guess what's, what's the word that goes on behind the scenes for you guys?

08:28

Sure. So this is something that we think about a lot, because like I said, we're not an exchange. So we can't predict things buy, you know what coin is trading more. But what we like to think about is that the traffic to our website is a really key indicator of what people are interested in. And that traffic is obviously not public information. However, our newly formed research team has been creating a report that's actually I think, going to go out, maybe today or tomorrow, which is really app timing, which we're calling according to coin market cap. And so the idea is that is that people will come to our site to find things they're interested in, and then hypothetically go trade or invest in that thing. So because we have all of this data about what people are adding to their watch list, how long people are spending on certain pages, how many different types of coins, we're listing in the defi sector, or maybe we're listing a lot more coins in the past quarter in fan tokens, we think that that's probably a pretty good way to see where the trends are going. So definitely, let's check out the report when it comes out. I'm excited just to just to see it on my end. And then on the other hand, personally, because what I do is articles, you know, I tell my writers to keep one ear to the ground on Twitter, and then when we write articles on what we think are emerging trends, we can kind of tell if it's a hit or miss based on if anyone is reading it. So That's sort of like a double edged way we can we can predict about what we're going to write about. And what could potentially be the next trend is sort of see where the traffic is flowing. You know, the average user can go to CMC and see how many times a coin has been added to a watch list like that is one very simple way to predict, you know, the popularity of a coin. On the other hand, like I said, You should be a pessimist, you know, no website can defeat the power of bots, as Elon Musk has tweeted about many, many times, you have to do take some of these big numbers you'll see with a grain of salt, but this is, this is our way of trying to help people see what's trending.

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No, I think that's definitely, I liked the fact that you mentioned, you know, keep your ears on the ground and look at Twitter, because that's obviously where a lot of people get their insight as well. But it's really interesting to see how you know, your team identifies it behind the scenes and kind of the indicators you look for. So in terms of like, the angle that you guys are headed, right? So you said, obviously, you're not necessarily an exchange, people can't really trade you're not really also a media outlet. You're more of like an aggregator slash educator. So how do you see the future of coin market cap and going, where I guess you intend to go from where you are today? Is there going to be more of the same? Are you going to change things up a bit? Like, what what does that look like for you? From where you stand today? I guess?

11:20

Sure. So one of the biggest things we've done, and this actually wasn't me that did it, but I can still, I can still talk about it. Because we're a pretty small team, as we launched this product a few weeks ago called CMC community. And the idea, you know, everything, everything comes back to the idea of people find themselves on CMC, and they could be anyone, you know, they could be traders, they could be beginners, it's just people just ended up on our website. And so the idea is, well, what do we do with these people? How do we show them the crypto is like kind of interesting and cool, or maybe not interesting and cool if that's if that's the way they, they decide to feel about it. But we still want them to have, you know, a say in that process. And so as CMC community, what we're doing is actually, if you have an account on coin market cap, with CMC community, you now can write articles, posts, sort of short form, tweet, like content, see other users feeds, what they're writing what they're thinking about, like if they're bullish, or bearish on the market, that's literally a button you cannot press. So the idea is, you know, taking what we have right now already, which is like a clean interface of data, and not only opening it up in terms of the articles my team does, about how to interact with with products in the crypto space, but opening it up for you, the projects the people to then find each other on our website, so that if you're interested in a certain coin, if you're curious why the market is up or down, instead of going, you know, to discord and Twitter and telegram and medium to try to find out why this project did this thing. You can just, you know, write an article about it on the Products page, you can you know, tag the product in like a short form, comment and see and see what they say. So I think that in the future, what CMC is trying to do is sort of sort of turn the conversation on for our users to you know, interact with our platform in a more deeper way.

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I like that. I like that. Okay, cool. So now, let me get a bit more personal here, Molly. So in terms of like your favorite content, whether it's article piece or topic, I want to explore that because I'm also you know, you could probably see this coming, I'm gonna ask you what's your least favorite one. But what has been, I guess your favorite topics to write about or favorite article that you put out or kind of like your favorite work on CMC that you've put out over the past couple of months?

13:48

Well, I actually already mentioned this, and it is really old. But I think that coin market caps coverage of squid game Tolkien, the viral alt meme coin that was that, you know, falsely claimed to be associated with the Netflix show then ended up rub pulling and sort of caught the attention of traditional media. That was my favorite topic. Because first of all, our coverage of that was very successful. We got something like half a million hits on our story. People were really interested in reading what we thought about it on this on the on the second point of this, it also caught the interest of the rest of the world because traditional media often covers cryptocurrency on a very surface level way. And that's not their fault. It's a very complicated and strange space. And so when coin market cap and my team were covering what happened with squid game token The New York Times reached out to us and their their journalist actually had almost a two hour long call with myself and my editor and how to walk him through what is a meme coin. What is a decentralized exchange? What is a rogue pole for Two hours. And it just felt like we were in this really unique position where this you know, we're just a crypto aggregator, and yet we're teaching the New York Times How to cover this very strange niche topic. So that has been the most fun I've ever had working as sort of a crypto educator at Coin market cap.

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Yeah, I mean, I'll never forget the I'm not sure what the the consecrated or streamer was. But that video of the token actually dumping live, forever, and the history books of crypto. Cool. So now in terms of like, your least favorite, I don't know if it's gonna be because it was too challenging. Maybe it was just like a nightmare to work on. Maybe it was. Maybe it didn't turn out. So well, the reception wasn't amazing. Like, what what does that look like for you?

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We have had a lot of difficulty explaining the technology behind para chains at Coin market cap. It is a very difficult technology. And it's just it's taken a lot of research to come up with articles that are understandable. And then sometimes when we try to simplify the article so that people can understand we've lost some of the nuances and the technology that has caused the community to say you're explaining this wrong. Yeah. When you get into this sort of like really advanced, different blockchain solutions, it's I think it's a struggle for everyone. That's not you know, a blockchain engineer.

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Yeah, I was just gonna say, I think it's also because you're not really trying to necessarily only cater to the engineers and developers in the space. And so if you're trying to make it sound a lot simpler than it is, you might, you know, struggle to keep full picture, or the first

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pair of chains to your parents. That's exactly.

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You don't

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know what we're trying to teach them. So.

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Yeah, no, that's fair. Okay. Cool. Interesting. Yeah. Just wanted to kind of know this, from your perspective. So now, let me go back to the conversation. Essentially, you recently referred to yourself as the biggest crypto skeptic, right? That's really interesting, considering that you work in CMC, and you're writing about crypto all the time. So could you explain that a bit more like why are you skeptical of crypto and what's the kind of angle that you're going for with that? Is it to kind of show people that it's okay to question things, but also okay to try and learn or like, where are you headed with this? Are you are you trying to fund crypto?

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I'm not trying to fund crypto. My editor's when I heard the last summer. You know, there, they were young. And they were just so excited to work for CMC. And on the first call, I made some sort of disparaging comment about a new project, leader trend or something and they're like, You don't love it? And no, I don't. And they were just they were just shocked, because so many people at CMC are just, you know, bullish to the moon forever. And that's fantastic. Working at a company where it's not just a job for anyone, really, it's a job, but it's also supporting the crypto revolution towards the future of money. I come at it from a very different perspective. You know, I was at Coin telegraph, like I said, from the end of 2017, till about mid 2019. So I was there covering news stories from when Bitcoin was at 20k. And then, you know, fell pretty far down, back up again, all of the different projects, all the different ICOs that were going bust. And when you're working in a breaking newsroom, and you're covering all of these stories on these 12 hour shifts, you know, you start just you get very jaded, you start to think, you know, is any of this actually real, or any of these projects actually going anywhere. And especially because I've been through these sort of bull bull run in bear cycles, I have seen a lot of projects that, you know, the phrases they've turned out, they've been swimming naked all along, when there's no bull run, when that when the bear market comes, they just suddenly find they don't actually have a great value proposition for their users. So, you know, I don't think I'm one of the oldest crypto veterans in the world. I know plenty of people that have been in the space longer than I have. But five years, I think I've just seen too much to be to not be a crypto skeptic. I don't believe people that have been in the industry for five years and then say they're not a crypto skeptic, that seems difficult for me to believe. But I think that the reason I'm still here, and I had a very long conversation with this about our, with my CEO a few weeks ago, because he said, Molly, the same question, are you fighting the industry? And I said, Look, I'm still here, because I find, you know, the projects less interesting than the community. It's fascinating to me to watch people interact on Twitter to go to the conferences to see how much people believe in something are opposed to something, you know, a few weeks a few days ago, actually was the crypto skeptic conference in London. That's fascinating to me. Like I think that the whole community has just this strange sort of microcosm. Have them of humanity that I just love being sort of in it and watching and then I get to have all of these interesting debates, you know, our CEO is very, very into the idea of defy and how it really will bank the unbanked. And we've sort of sparred for an hour about why I think some of those programs won't work and why he thinks they will. So it keeps you on your toes to be a skeptic in this industry.

20:21

Now, definitely, I think you also need skeptics in the industry, otherwise, everything sounds a bit too good to be true. And I think that's, that's part of the not really the charm. But it's almost like a lot of people just done to jump ship and immediately say, like, oh, no, there's no way this works. There's no way everyone wins. There's no way everyone's making money. And they don't really look deeper at the tech, you know, I talk about this all the time, from a gaming perspective, like crypto is gonna change so much in gaming. But I think it's really easy to just always look at the glass half empty. And, you know, say that, once it's time to actually care and care, a lot less people are super enthusiastic about essentially trying to learn while the trend is happening. But with that being said, you know, because it kind of draws on my next question, which was more focused on the community that you guys have cultivated over at CMC? Could you walk us through a bit more about what that role looks like? So essentially, as a community member of CMC, like, what can I do? Why do I matter? Where can I share my opinion? What if I think you know, I don't know, random examples? Where do I Where do I say that this? For example, let's say there's a token I think shouldn't be listed? Or there's information that's missing about something like, how does your community essentially add value to you guys over CMC? Obviously, as you know, you mentioned earlier, you're not an exchange, you're not really a project on your own. There's not necessarily a token. So what does that look like for you guys?

21:43

Sure. So CMC has a very large community. And I would say, the majority of the feedback we get is, list our token, or why isn't our token listed? You know, that's fine and good. We do have a very clear listing process and methodology. So I think that our poor customer service team is constantly directing people to the page saying, you just have to apply, like, please apply here and follow, you know, rules one through 100. And then if the data matches, then you know, you're listed. On the other hand, we also have community members I find that are so responsible, you know, I'll have people reach out to me on Twitter reached out to all of CMC and say, you know, I want to learn more about this term. And I see it's not in your glossary, like, can I write stuff mission for you, which I think is just really sweet of them, you know, to, to want to participate in the CMC and that way. And so, one of the things I think we've really been working on over the past few quarters, is understanding who our community is, and what what more they want from us, besides just that playlist, our token, you know, Please rank our token higher. The Crypto space is very, very big. And I think that understanding our audience is something that we need to spend a little bit more time doing. So that we can give them like I said, what they're more interested in. We are, you know, creating more and more products that will allow community members to participate more in CMC, like I said, CMC community, where every single crypto project out there can make an account. And instead of posting, you know, their blockchain upgrade to medium, they can post an article about it right on CMC community. And so when people go to their coins page, they can see that information right there. Because I think at the end of the day, all we want to do is give our community members as much of the data and information that we possibly can. And we really like it, when they tell us what we're missing and what else they they want us to do for them.

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I like that, I think it's you know, it's always important to kind of keep the community close with that, I want to kind of take a different direction and maybe go back to a more personal angle, but in terms of like everything that you see, because obviously, you know, I'm a bit more fixated on gaming in web three, you know, internally in the team, a lot of us are either super enthusiastic about defy or a specific type of protocol or a specific type of, you know, segment of the industry for you as someone that I guess gets this kind of overarching view like this bird's eye view of the entire industry, because you have to write about all these different topics and all these different coins and so on and so forth. Like what personally excites you the most about crypto and web three in general. So I

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have some things that I'm excited about. But I'm gonna say the caveat is I don't think they exist yet. So I'm hoping someone here listening will build this for me when I'm done explaining what I like. So when I first heard about the play to earn trend, I got I got excited because I also I'm not a big gamer probably like you, but I do have like very I have very specific gaming interests which just specifically Pokemon, you know, I was one of those kids that had you know, 1000s of Pokemon cards, trading cards, I still play all the new Nintendo games when they come out. And so I've just been sort of looking out there for a Pokemon like play to earn game that would sort of capture my heart the way that Pokeyman has. I know, there are plenty of games that are trying to do that. But right now, you know, and I've written about this many times, is it the plate earn sector has so much potential, but the quality of the games and the gameplay and the story hasn't caught up yet to the traditional gaming industry. So I'm sort of sitting here waiting for, you know, the next Pokeyman play to earn app to just sort of appear. And then the other few things I have, that I'm excited about are also all similar to this play to earn industry, I was very excited about projects like step in and a few other ones that were moved to earn, because I also myself like to exercise, and it seems like a very simple no brainer to connect, exercising to earning money, I just, I think that there is a little bit too high of a barrier to entry. You know, a lot of these apps in order to participate do require you to buy NF T's that are, you know, hundreds of dollars, if not 1000s of dollars. And I would I just I wish there was a play to earn or a move, or a move to earn app out there that would allow, you know, maybe you would earn less money, but maybe you only have to pay one or $2 for an NFT to join. So, you know, I think everything I've explained that I'm excited about does exist in the space, I just want it to have sort of a higher level of gameplay in the future. And then hopefully, like a lower barrier of entry that will allow more people to sort of play around with moving to earn and playing dirt in the future. So hopefully, someone out here will build this for me, so I can also participate.

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Playing with Fire Molly talking to me about gaming episodes, the whole conversation will shift. No, I think I mean, I'm someone that's been a gamer for what like the past 21 plus years. And so for me, it's a no brainer to start looking at how can we fix things that are wrong with the gaming industry using crypto, I think maybe we strayed a bit too far away when you know, plays are in first came out, I think the whole perception of playing a game to make money was kind of wrong in itself. And now I can I mean, I can reassure you I'm not you know, we're not building a game ourselves. But I can reassure you from all the conversations we have that the space is evolving. And there, you know, our higher quality games that are coming out, I do think that it's still going to take us time to kind of figure out a healthy balance between a sustainable, you know, crypto powered blockchain powered gaming economy, and a really fun game. But for me, 100% The future is higher quality games, more, I guess, natural blockchain integration rather than like having the whole, like, value proposition of the game being that you can make money out of it. I think that's where we went wrong in the early days of later, but that's that's interesting. Maybe, maybe we need to have separate chats, then, if that's what excites you about crypto. So now let me take it back. I've been jumping back and forth between you and CMC. But in terms of like CMC, and future steps, I guess, whether it's a timeline of things that you guys are excited about, or a feature that maybe you think is gonna change what people know or think about CMC, could you tell us a bit more about any of those future plans?

28:25

Yeah, so I've talked about probably our most important one, which is CMC community, you know, the idea of opening up our website to allow people to visit us to share their own opinions, and stories about crypto. But I think another important thing are conferences. I'm a bit of a skeptic about conferences, too. I think that people, you know, there are a lot of crypto conferences out there and people attend them sort of for the parties and for the networking. And sometimes the panels are the least important thing. But CMC is definitely going to be moving into the conference space in the future. I headed up our very first online conference that we held in the metaverse in May, where we had about 5000 attendees as little avatars, running around and talking to each other and listening to our CEO talk. And that was pretty cool. But I'm definitely looking forward to the fact that you know, COVID is allowing for travel again, I really, you know, expect to see CMC hosting a lot more events and meetups and hackathons in the next, you know, few months even. That's what I think will be important to actually seeing our customers or our users in real life and talking with them.

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I like that. I think you know, even with web three, you can't really change much about our just drive as humans do want to interact with one another. And I think events are definitely a way we're kind of you bring people a lot closer. I'm looking forward to a bunch of events that are coming up over the next couple of months but yeah, I mean that's that's really exciting. But But I have to, you know, explore that a bit further, I think, with everything you guys are doing. But with that, Molly, I want to kind of maybe start wrapping things up and ask you a very specific question from a consumer perspective, right? So I come into crypto and I see this coin is going to 10x. And that coin is going to 100x. And, you know, this is going to the moon and so on and so forth has invested in this and it's like so much overwhelming information that you can't really keep up with. What's your advice for me? And how do I not get burned? Because, you know, personally, I know a lot of people that have gotten burned to just purely off of, you know, hype, people, just shilling projects, celebrities and influencers getting involved. How do I I guess, make better decisions purely from, you know, a content consumption standpoint, but also from just like a crypto decision standpoint as

30:45

well. Sure. So I think everyone could take some advice from my former boss, Sean Hein, who's actually the head of Spartan labs now. So when when he first joined CMC, he was not crypto native, he came from the web two, or the web one space, actually. And he shared his calendar with me. So it'd be easier for me to schedule meetings. And I saw that every day, he had scheduled an hour for himself blocked off, that just said, read about crypto, just one hour, I thought that was so great. It was you know, not allowing yourself to spend the whole day scrolling Twitter and listening to podcasts nonstop, and sort of overwhelming yourself with knowledge. He just, you know, every day, he said he would just take articles you'd bookmark people would send to him and just give himself a little crypto hour. So you know, some other tips from my from my own life are I do keep my crypto life and my regular life pretty separate. And I've done that from the start. So I have a crypto Twitter account. And I have a regular one, I have a crypto telegram and I have a regular one. So I can sort of toggle between my crypto life and my personal life. And I really just need to get away from everything in crypto. And then, you know, besides that there's tons of sort of lists out there for people just getting started, you know, a list of the top 100 people on Twitter to follow, you know, the top 10 books to read the top 10 podcast to listen to. And I think if you just do that only a little bit per day, then you won't get burned out.

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I like that short and crisp. Nice and sweet. Thanks for that one. I think we should be wrapping up really soon. But I do want to give you an opportunity to maybe raise anything that we didn't naturally bring up in the conversation. If there's anything that you want to tell people. Whether it's kind of a general statement or a CMC approach, please feel free to do so. And I will ask you for a favor, which is giving us an outro towards the end. I like doing that with the guests. But before that, let's let's first talk next steps and, you know, what are your kind of pieces of advice for people that are trying to I guess it follows up on the previous question, but something maybe could be completely generic could be about your Pokemon love growing up, it could be anything that you choose to make it.

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Yeah, I mean, I want to tell people, as I've said before, you know, crypto is a really great place to be because of this optimism. But it like I've said, like already a few times in the past 30 minutes, you know, be an optimist, be a be an optimist and a pessimist at the same time in crypto, you know, go to every conference, learn as much as you want. But understand that people are showing you the things they want you to see. And so like i There's a phrase that I picked up from somewhere, which is always do that one extra Google. If you think you know something, you know, Google it, go to the next page, you know, scroll down, always make sure you're really doing your own research about anything that you're interested in. And you know, most of the time, you won't find anything, sometimes you might find something that'll give you some pause. So do that extra Google, be a bit of a pessimist and hang out with all the optimists and sort of have the fun that the crypto space brings?

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Definitely solid advice there. Molly, thank you so much for joining. I think it's been super insightful, it's really great to kind of get the input from someone that works daily on content in the space, I think there's so much good and bad. But you know, the least that we could do when the bad happens is report the bad, which I think is what you guys did with the squid games token. And obviously, it was a lot of fun. And I think you know, a lot of people lost a lot of money. So it's not really a funny topic. But reflecting back on it, I think it's just a wake up call for a lot of people. And it's always great to kind of highlight things like that in an educational sense, I guess, which is something we really care about as well. So we truly appreciate everything that you guys do over a coin market cap. I do want to let you kind of wrap things up for us. Give us a nice little outro. And then actually, you know what, why don't you do this? I mean, typically I have to do this after the end of every episode. Why not let everyone know that if they joined in late they could still tune in, on the podcast episode, whether it's Spotify, Apple podcasts or anything else, you do content, Molly, I think you'll do a great outro. We might, we might use this as like the outro for the rest of the show. So just a heads up.

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I mean, my voice during the outro for coin telegraph news channel was on their YouTube for years after I left for some reason.

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We'll use it here as well.

35:24

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35:27

definitely not that maybe a different approach this time. But yeah, I'll let you I'll let you wrap things up for us.

35:34

Thank you all for joining us. Remember to follow poker starter on Twitter, and listen to their podcast wherever you get your podcasts, Apple, Spotify, Google podcasts stitcher premium. And it was great. It was great to be on here today.

35:47

Thank you added the little follow there. I didn't even ask you for that. I mean, thank you so much for joining. It's been a it's been a great chat. It's been amazing learning from you. And obviously for anyone else that's tuning in, I highly, highly suggest that you guys check out coin market cap and all the content that Molly and his team are working on. Tons of value, tons of information and definitely a very objective perspective. I think it's good. You mentioned this earlier, being a crypto skeptic, I think, you know, people like you are super critical for the space just for it to kind of continue to grow and improve. But with that being said, thank you so much for joining everyone. This will be the end of the episode, like Molly mentioned earlier, make sure you do check out the episode. Either in the recording I think this actually might be up as a Twitter recording. To be honest, I forgot about that. But in the recording, or as we always mention and push you guys to do subscribe to our podcast stuff that Molly mentioned. I'm not gonna do that again. So yeah, thanks. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Molly for joining. I think we'll we'll talk again about the Pokemon stuff. I might send you some games to maybe check out and play in your free time. Thanks. Thanks, everyone for joining. Enjoy the rest of your day.

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